To much at one time

[Shawdar]

Ok as of yesterday there was a informal officers meeting, the main topics that were talked about,

1: new members to join the guild what levels?

A: the general feeling expressed, lvl 51 min and would also like Run3, but run3 not required.

The vote of the officers was in favor of this new cap, Eldy was ghosting in the back ground and

and also aggred to this new lvl cap,

So as of sunday feb 23rd new members to SLoT will be no less then lvl 51

2: the need of the guild to have a 60 chanter with Kei,

A: once agian we all knocked heads and ideas, the end result will be that the guild will PL Jaqs

35 chanter to 60 and then get the spell kei for that chanter, this will inable the guild to have kei

chanter on hand for guild raids and events, this a major step for this guild to under take as it

has been one of the main subjects holding the guild back

So the guild will focus on this first, the next item about the PL will be those of us who are willing

to donate our time to this PL and makeing money for the guild to buy this 75k spell,

once we have this chanter the guild, we can then work towards gearing up the guild members

with items needed,

Another subject matter:

we need to get some master crafters in the guild, most importantly will be,

GM smithy

GM talior

GM jeweler

Once the guild has these things then we can focus back on raiding and guild events

Its time we put our foot down and make this guild into a guild that we can be proud of

and not some steping stone to some uber guild, for almost a year now I have watched

this guild and its leaders ond officers, during this time I have seen the same thing over

guild raids a zone they can not handle, X- Factor guild comes to the aid of SLoT, X guild

member complets there epic. X guild member that now has there shinny new epic gets

disgruntled with SLoT, X guild member leaves slot to join the ranks of X- factor Guild that

helped with epic.

This being said, from this point on it is my intention to bring this guild back into the lime

light, so that members of this guild can have pride in there guild I have run a guild on a

pvp sever and we were a mighty and strong guild, its is my hope that over the next few

months as those of us who wish to have a strong guild, Will dig in roll up there sleves

get down in the mud, and begin to shape and mold this into a strong guild.

Shawdar Shadowfyre

http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=598090

[Rumblebore]

I have to say this – your choice of whom to PL for a chanter seems illogical.

First of all, leveling a Chanter is Definitely different from leveling a melee. Chanters cannot survive the tanking, and their pets are wimpy. Maybe, having a melee and a chanter PL’ed together, with the chanter gaining agro so pet is involved, with a druid to DS both pet and melee, and a healer to keep all alive, is a good combo. Maybe Shaw knows PL’ing better than I. I will yield to that point.

Secondly, right now, Jaqs is probably the best candidate we have for Main Tank. In the middle of a prolonged Raid, why in the world would we want him to camp out to bring his chanter on? Plus, having a chanter level 60 along for the whole raid makes a LOT more sense, to have that chanter operating at the same time that Jaqs is MA’ing. Now if Jaqs has 2 accounts and the chanter is on the other accounts, this is STILL a bad idea. I know from running my chanter how involved you MUST be to handle all the incoming calls for buffs, mezzes (crowd Control), Clarity, debuffing, etc. The MA is also VERY involved in controlling agro and choosing the main creature to attack, calling assist, etc.

In my opinion – These 2 characters MUST be run separately, by different people. Having KEI will be VERY nice, but I don’t think this plan is the correct one. I DO want a level 60 chanter in guild. I also have a 30 chanter I am trying to level, but people have wanted Rum on recently, to help out, so Davain hasn’t been able to move up.

I think leveling those who ARE near to 60 makes a whole lot more sense, even if you think they are not as ‘dedicated’ as Jaqs, or whatever reason you made him first choice. (Svinter is about level 50 I believe.)

If Jaqs is chosen because he can be online more often than the rest of us, then I guess I have to yield on that, if the urgency is really all that great – I think PL’g a chanter over the next 30-45 days will make one a level 60. We would just need to be patient for a little longer.

I also know of a potential money making process that requires a smith level 180+ (Rumble is there) and a chanter level 49 (Which is why I am leveling my chanter) which I shall remain quiet on until I can prove it to myself. Rumbles goals for the immediate future are: Level 200+ in Smith, Tailoring and Jewelry, The 8 Shawls, level 52, until he gets both books for his epic, then beyond. (Rumble has spent 2 weeks leveling his Tradeskills and has the plat to go farther.

Davains goals are mainly to get to level 49 so he can assist Rumble with the money making and for C2. Once I can make money freely, I would offer that service to the guild bank.

I offer my chanter as an alternate to this idea, perhaps to level along with Jaqs Chanter, so that we can have 2 chanters, and will also make time to level Rumble, first in Smithing, then Tailoring, next Jewelry. Hopefully, along this path, Rumble will be able to pay for Davains KEI spell and also make enough to contribute to the guild purchase for Jaqs.

I know this can read as a “pick me, not him” kind of letter, but Eldy has been asking me to level my chanter and while he was down, I continued to do so. I FIRMLY believe leveling those who already are closest is the BEST course, with an alternate or 2 backing up that one. And I have personally been working at this posts main ideas for a couple of months now. And I am close at least in the tradeskills area.

I also recommend that we level a Shaman to 60, since that shaman will have a spell (Mortal Deftness) that boosts dex (needed for successful skill ups ) that will also let the lesser spell HoS stack on top of it (not the other way around though) raising Dex to 255 in many char’s. I know – I have done it to myself on several occasions – and used that to raise my tradeskills to where they are now.

Anyway, whomever is chosen and however you want to go with this, I will accept as where the guild needs to go.

[Eldoran Nobleheart]

I will discuss will you the pro's and con's to having Jaqs as our chanter when we are online together next time. I think it should be something we should all talk about together in officers chat. I will give u a few reasons here.

1. Jaqs Plays almost 16 hours a day and we isnt around Soltek has access.

2. Svinter is not reliable becuase he shares a comp with his mom and he also on hiatus cause his game card is up.

3. There is no reason why we cant do the same for another chanter after we get one Keied.

this was not a rash decision we discussed this for over 2 or 3 hours.

[Shawdar]

as to the reason Jaqs was picked, Soltek and Jaqs share account info with each other, which would double the chanters abilty to be used more often, also Its not my intention to lvl this chanter to a playable pc in raids, only to have the chanter able to cast Kei on the groups in the raids, also with the understanding that this pc chanter will prolly be so badly lacking in other areas that it would be very hard to recover it as a playable pc, after the extrem PL'ing thats going to happen to it,

I would rather see your chanter gain its levels in a normal course and be a playable pc, but if you are open to this kind of extrem pl'ing to your chanter I would also be willing to assit you to meet those goals, as you can understand like most of us in these leader positions it is to get the guild up to par untill we can get a Playable PC chanter in the guild,

Next about the PL on the chanter there are many ways to pl any pet class pc, Ie heal the pet and the chanter, root slow mobs, heal heal heal root slows, when it comes down to the only thing is that the first 60 damage has to be incured buy the class being PL'ed

As to the trade skills issues, thats kinda like putting all the eggs in one basket, as most guild members know I can now smith 250 items and gear, with trade 200 and a gear lock, currently those items do come at a great cost, me personal I will be a GM smith soon, I have done all my leg work well and also know how to get skill ups at no real cost to me, Once I have rached my skill lvl up to 250 I will share this knowledge with my fellow guild mates, as to a pl a shamy there is no need

I am currently lvl 62 and offer my buffs to any guild mate who is working on his trade skills I have spells that only other shaman dream about haveing and can certainly max any pc's stats for shorts periods of time or loner if the lvls are right,

the better choice would be to assist daulton or Lea to getting up to lvl 60, for the much needed Blessing that they have become avliable to them at 60, and once again it could be both or just one of them,

the point is we need to focus on one brick in the wall at a time, and not endever to bite off so much that the wall becomes unstable to falls apart,

as of this point we have two very happy guild members with a shinny new brestplate with amazing stas, Tae ew tunics,

any how theres my 2cp to this all

Shawdar Shadowfyre

[Rumblebore]

Hmmm.

If we are going to talk about one brick at a time, then I believe that the FIRST brick should be defining our guild and THEN moving our classes towards that definition.

Use the new Guild Management button in game, sort by Level, highest first, and look at what we have in the highest levels. We are VERY heavy in support classes (Druids, Shamans, and even Clerics) but low in Melee, especially Warriors. Only Warriors can SHIELD and that is needed for protecting our clerics. And those melees in the top tend to be casual players, not regular. You'll see what I mean. And this IS an oversimplification. So, what good is a KEI'r if we cannot dish out the damage? What good is raiding and all this leveling if we are not operating within a structure? If we dont have specific goals we want to attain because it takes us to (THIS) place, what good is just 'junk' PL'ing someone to a specific place (like a chanter 60) unless we define WHAT we want to become?

Sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine. It seems that Eldy has a vision, and maybe Shaw does too. SHARE IT. DEFINE IT so that we can grasp it and run with it too. Set Goals. Give me and others something to work with so that when we come on we can ask "how is (goal 1) progressing and what can I do to move it along?"

Most guilds have their "EULA" on their website. Are we going to have one?

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Okay, that monkey is off my chest.

Now, I now see what you are saying and doing. I will continue with Davain as is. Maybe after he gets to 40+ we can do an occasional PL to get him up, leaving time for him to balance his skills normally. I like the Cleric idea, getting a couple to 60+, but also getting that epic on them too.

Many things to do, and /agree with one brick at a time.

I just would like to know were I can help and support this process. Obviously, a Pally is not the best tool for PL'ing as is a 60+ Shammy or Druid. *sigh* oh well.

Shaw - what server did you PVP on? I was thinking of making a char to try it out but would like advice recommendations from someone who has been there - you can use the email process or IM me via this site if you would like to keep it quiet.

[Shawdar]

to Answer your question Rumble, I used to play on sullon zek, the current problem with pvp is server population, at first there were lots of us who played pvp, after about a year a lot of people got bord with it and went back to a blue server, "Blue= non-pvp server" "Red Server = pvp", so it was became less fun to play on those servers, I think sullon zek still has a alright population,

if you diecide to try pvp be ready to spend endless hours in frustration, it is a comon practice to kill off newbies, and getting to a upper lvl is no small trick,

the sullon zek sever is broke into three classifcations,

Goodies= aka lighties

Neutral = aka Newts

Evils = aka Evils

depending on the class and race you play you fall into one of the three classes,

and can only out right kill pc's of the oppseing factions, IE a evil can kill newts and goodies, but not other evils, I think you get the picture, also in pvp MR is KING, since you have pc's casting on you ever bit of MR you can get is what you want

also another lil bit of my experince, Melee's allways get owned in pvp, if you are going to play pvp make sure you are a caster of some type, also Wizzy's Sham. and Necro own all other classes,

Well there is some info for you if you have any other questions feel free to ask

Shawdar Shadowfyre

"A warrior trapped in shamans clothes"

[Lotara]

Now for my 2 cents worth.

1. Please announce all officers meetings in advance so all officers can attend.

2. I agreee with Rumblebore that we need Jaqs as MA and need more Warriors. Also it would be very difficult for Jaqs to play both a MA and and Enchanter during the whole raid and we need both for the whole raid.

3. Please tell us, at least the officers, what Eldoran and Shaw picture of the Guild is. Others can plan but if Eldy doesn't want it, it does not get done.

4. I am glad to see Shawdar in a leadership role in guild as he has much to offer.

5. Minimum levels for new members? Is this firm? For all classes? Are we telling anybody about this?

6. PLing - I like Rublebore's idea of group PLing. The Plane of Nightmere is a very, very good place to make that happen. We could have experience group(s) up there often. If SLoT concentrated most of our forces in one area the clerics and enchanters would have easier times with CR and KEI within that zone instead of running all over the worlds.

Also Clerics get Atone a spell that does a memory blur so the next person that gets the most damage gets the credit. Clerics make great PLer in a group and we need to PL more Clerics. Zann also would like to be PLed to 60 but believes that Daulton and Lea deserve first choice as they are already higher. I did not know about Rum's Enchanter and that does sound like a good canidate for PLing.

We really need to get Roster updated and then talk to member about Alt that are not in the Guild. That could be brought into the Guild. We need at least 2 Enchanters and 3 Cleric above 60 and with Epics. This would focus the guild into activities to help these people get there. Then others.

Enchanters die too fast for even great Clerics to always save. And Enchanters and Clerics need to learn to work together to eliminate as much of this as possible. One of the main reasons is that Enchanters get out of range of heals. With multimobs if the Tank goes one way and the Enchanter goes another, the Cleric will stay with the Tank.

Regards, Tara and Zann

[Lotara]

Another thought, we need at least 3 Clerics above 60 with epics on all Raid to the Planes because the Planes are very, very aggro to heals and Clerics die more often. And more Warriors (above 60) to protect them.

Zann

[Eldoran Nobleheart]

1. Let me start out saying that i love the Jaqs idea lets take cazic the other day for example, several times the during the raid we had to stop pulling so others could either med for long periods of time or go get kei, if we had a jaqs chanter parked there he could of easily switched to accomidate us. Shawdar is right when he says pling a chanter up that high will lead to having a uneffective raid chanter to mez mobs and such so what we need to work on lvling a chanter to 60, the plain ol fashion way.

2. As for my goals there are many but i think what Shawdar and I are trying to do here is basic, we are trying to build our forces up so that we are effective, i think we had enough people in cazic to go much deeper, except we didnt have a chanter or enough heavy damage dealers and unless we fix these problems we will continually cut off at the knees. I would like to see all of my officers go out there and recruit more 51+ people, i dont see enough of that.

I want officers to step up and take more of a leadership role, lead raids, recruit. you dont know how often i get on and am hit by tons of issues from guildies because they dont know who to talk to. Sometime when i get on im stuck in tell hell for more thank an hour.

I need someone to step up and take care of the news, lets face it i cant do it. please leave a pm to rumble to find out how to do news. Rumble please check with me first.

There are so many things we need to build on to take this guild to the next level and i think if we take this one brick at a time it can be done.

[Leanessa Sylverfoxx]

I would like to say something about Canter's at lvl 60+...

I have access to a canter' lvl 61...but let me tell you that if you don't play that char from the beginning....well needless to say you will have problems....those spells are very confusing if you do not know which does what...I have been trying to sort them out....so that possibly I could use Mez to help out....

Second, Lea is 2 yellow into 58....that means 3 more yellows to go...good exp is very hard to find for clerics...I have been looking believe me....

I have 2 more mobs for my epic.....Overking in Chardok....which everyone was too tired to continue on to the Overking...so no I didn't get that part then... And Ragefire....if you ask me Ragefire is much easier to take out than the Overking.... but I also need one more fragment from Skyfire...and I need Baldaek to be able to go with me.....

so this is what is going on so far....

Leanessa

[Krung]

Ahhhhh ok here we go again. I am going to be blunt. The main reason Krung and Rebma are not played anymore is we dont feel welcome. Think about it. Rebma is a 54 chanter. She has been with SLoT for a really long time now. Did anyone ever think about asking her? she could be lvl 60 in no time. She has also played this character from the ground up. She would LOVE to be invited on raids and go places but since we cant be at EVERY single raid we dont play them. She is at home now everyday all day long and could be on pretty much whenever she wants. What yall need to understand (and decide if you want this) is that we are now a group and we do things together. We prefer it that way since we sit right next to each other it makes communicating very easy. Anyway, Yeah grats High LVL raiding guild but dont forget your roots or youll just be another guild that everyone talks bad about because you treat your members like they dont exist. Yeah sure everyone says hi when we log on but not once has Krung been asked to go somewhere. ahhh I ramble I am done I know I said I would love to be a part of the new guild for lower lvls (if that actually happens) but its up to yall. See ya in Game.

Krung

(just a little disenchanted with the whole thing)

[Rumblebore]

2 things about Krungs post.

1) I must apologize Krung. I have never really tried to get to know Rebma (or you) well and when I think of her, I think that she is a cleric. Just shows how bad I am at getting to know those in my own guild. Your post applies to me and I must offer my apologies. I will work on getting better at this.

2) Your post also supports what I was saying - PL'ing the Jaqs chanter doesnt make as much sense to me as PL'ing someone already near there. However, the decision made (I was not at that leadership meeting - I was off for the day) seemed to be made based mainly on how quickly it could be done and PL'ing someone who is on 16 hours a day and has a friend who can be on most of those other 8 hours to continue the process seemed to make more sense than trying to contact all the chanters in guild to see who would be willing to a) spend the days doing this and b) willing to attend all guild functions. Having a Junk level 60 Chanter with KEI is more important that leveling a well balanced chanter in thier 50's to level 60 who can be available for raids, and work on helping other chanters who are also close get there.

I have to say, I KNEW this type of decision making would be a part of making us a raiding guild. I have stated that we should expect to see changes and that the feel of the guild will change.

I voted for a raiding guild while I was ready to pour my time and effort into it. However, as I am changing my play time to allow more time for real life, I cannot be there to pour into this anywhere near as much as I was ready to.

Well, the decision is made and I think they are already working this. A pity that such well thought of guildmembers are getting hurt because of this rush. I hope the leadership will learn from this to use the membership as it exists. A simple email or IM to Rebma or Krung on this board could have asked the question. But people arent thinking about that. They are thinking of what is expedient and easy.

As you can see Krung, your bluntness is catching.

Eldy said:

As for my goals there are many but i think what Shawdar and I are trying to do here is basic, we are trying to build our forces up so that we are effective, ......There are so many things we need to build on to take this guild to the next level and i think if we take this one brick at a time it can be done.

Well, isnt being effective more likely to occur with the level 60 Chanter balanced and playing right alongside of all the rest of us, rather than camping and KEI'ing then leaving?

Also, please dont get so caught up in the mass of things to do. I have started organizing my personal life and I have a TON of things to change and do. But I can only do them one at a time. I KNOW what you are saying. But lets not lose good people to insensitivity and snowballing into the future. The FOUNDATION is what needs to be built first. Then we will know exactly where to put the bricks and in what order.

The workers need a blue print to make the work go faster. Share your vision please.

To the leadership reading this. I realy DO like and care about all of you. But the way you have been doing things and handling this transition is souring me. It is not the way I would do things. You ARE getting results, but the price tag does not have to be so high.

Answer this - WHY didnt you FIRST ask all Chanters we have if they would like to be PL'd to 60, especially those who are closest to it? Doesn't a BALANCED 60 chanter make MORE sense?

Grumbling out loud now,

gRumblebore

[Nurlaten]

First officer post

Personal feelings on the chanter PL.

They are the hardest class to play. Throwing someone who has never done it before into the mix is suicide and potential death to everyone else. But i think the intention of the chanter PL is to have a KEI person to load up every 3 hours or when new raiders show up, just as a mana battery. If this is the case that Jaqs being PLed makes perfect sense. He's at the vast majority of our raids and he doesn't lose anything my not getting the KEI because he's logging.

Sure svinter and rebma and debrainy and our other chanters will get levels eventually and maybe we can help them along the way, but them having knowledge of their class and all it's abilities is more important that being able to cast 1 spell. If someone to bring along and cast KEI is all we want/need jaqs the chanter works allright in my mind.

I do have access to Utum's account, 40 chanter currently, but she doesn't play enough to warrant getting to 60 for our raids.

[Krung]

LOL Rumble once again I am very impressed by your post. You hit the nail square again. I realize that Rebma and I havent been around too much lately but with the life change and move and wedding and honeymoon its been a little crazy. We are both on alot more now and plan on engaging the game on a more frequent basis again. I would love to have a more active role and would love suggestions or requests from other officers or leaders.

Now for the entire officers group especially the leaders listen to Rumble dont let your ambition and desire to be an Uber guild wreck your foundations. Thats is what made SLoT what it is today. Take The Final Covenant for instance. I have some RL friends in there and when I think The Final Covenant I think Major Guild. They dont accept applications from anyone under 55 you must have a sponsor to even be considered and you cant play without being anon (to show your guild tag) until you pass the trial period. Howevr they are a family based guild. They just took down a major boss (cant remember the name) sorry but one that is not easy to do. and they can still talk about child rearing in guild. they group for exp and not ONLY for raids. This is the way it should be. Raids should be posted on the message boad. NOT in the moto for the day Every member of this guild should go tot the message boards to see when a raid is forming and sign up for it on the board. If your not on the board you dont go. Last minute entries just confuse the leaders and unbalance preformed groups. Just think how organized it would be if you showed up for a raid and within 5 minutes of start time your already pounding mobs because the raid leaders had groups formed Before you got there. Not ok now I need to know whos here what class and lvl you are we need to form goups. How about instead you zone in to the meeting area and are Immediately told So and So you are in this group or the group leaders automatically invite their members upon arrival. If you want a Raid done right there you go. Ok who wants the Soap Box next? Sorry yall I hear alot of lets do this and lets get this but as Rumble asked whats the BIG game plan whats your vision? Not finding an end to the tunnel in this darkness of Transition. (ohhh that was good) hehehe

[mcmichael]

1) no offense to krung or rebma,but neither of you log on as krung or rebma..."leadership" is looking at the higher end players.. and both chars you are playing are/were under 30,you have stated that you wish to play those chars,not rebma and krung...so i for one have not asked for rebma or krung because of that... 2) as for sign up on web page prior to a raid,well,if you can get everyone to come to the page...then you are doing something better than anyone else has been doing...it is "required" to register on this and on guildportal,but how many have visited since?i can't tell you...i would love to see ppl visiting atleast 2x per week,but....will that happen?so raids are in guild motd....best that can be done atm.... 3) roots,well,i still play with ppl 45+ as do many others...it can not be helped that after a certain point a 50+ will not want to group with a 39,the xp just isn't there.... no offense meant to anyone,but bluntness seems to be the flavor of the hour...and if you are not on in channel,when a meeting is going on,which seem to be mostly impromptu meetings,then that is why it is posted and this way you are able to voice your opinion...this is not an argument,am only stating things as i see them,and at many of this meetings there are 5-10 officers on...

[Rumblebore]

I have spoken and Played Davain with synthania and Jaica and know these details:

They are playing these characters for 2 primary reasons - 1) They want to play together (they ARE newlyweds) and 2) Krung/Synthania wants to level up a Wizzy (Synthania) to play in the high end game because the guild needs wizzies and so that he can play the high end game in SLoT WITH Rebma. Since there are VERY few level 30 players in the guild, they are grouping together almost all the time so as to raise their characters up to planar + Level.

Knowning that, then it makes some sense why they do not group at high level, also because of the way Krung is played, and that is his priviledge and his decision, not to be criticized. Of course, we would like them to join us, but Krung knows his style and has chosen what he deems the best course.

Given this knowledge and the fact that there really arent very many level 30-ish players/alts, then I have to say that the way they choose to level their characters is very effective and they are doing it both for themselves and to have characters to play in higher level play that we need.

Let me quote this from Lux et Veritas' Webpage on how they address such an issue:

::Individual rights:: Every member of the guild has a right to play the game as they desire. Those who do not enjoy raids or events but are proud of the Guild Tag are welcome. Every member will respect the other members right to play as they desire and not create verbal tension. Those who chose not to participate in raids understand that they will not be included in many possibilities such as Epics until they participate as described above.

Such a view is what I hope we develop. And as such, knowing that Rebma is available for raids, that they are leveling a wizzy for raids, should not discount Rebma as a reasonable choice to PL for the KEI spell.

Please consider this in tonights meeting.

[Krung]

Its too bad you wish to take a lesser role in the Guild rumble. I understand the RL decisions and more power to you. Would be good to know a person of your caliber in RL. Anyway, You got it again. I will post this here as it may get read more. Krung is not a raid worthy character. He is a stupid ogre and is played that way. If you want him to raid with you Great He would LOVE too but DO NOT expect him to follow directions. He is a warrior no finesse just a killing machine. Synthania However is a High Elf Extremely intelligent and able to think on his own. Also he is a wizard something I have noticed we have a few of but we could defenitely use more. I WANT to help I love grouping with yall and the few raids I have been on have been great butthe last trip to PoI just showed me how out of place Krung is. Anyway, basically Krung is a detriment to your "idea" of a guild and Synthania will be an asset. I am also looking at the big picture here. I hope yall can see it as well. Thats is an excellent quote from Lux et Veritas. Wow that should sum up EVERY guild out there. You participate you are rewarded if you dont you arent but you are never made to feel bad about not participating. Mcm I appreciate the offer to go to JP last night We didnt go only out of consideration for others. We are very low lvl we realize that and I know that my inability to group with everyone is my choice right now. At least however I am taking a stance in the guild and am voicing my opinion on the things that are going on and happening dont you wish everyone would? Yes its just a game but its a fun game and I have made some good friends here. I enjoy talking and playing with everyone alot. ( I am a little socialite in the making) 8) Anyway, Just want to be an asset and not a hinderance hope everyone understands.

[mcmichael]

well krung,i may have taken what you had to say in the wrong context...had very little sleep that night,i took what you had said as a criticism as we had discounted rebma for some unknown reason...whether personal or not,i wasn't sure.but as i said,you are chosing to play the chars that you are and have said that you wish to play them(for valid reasons,am not criticizing that).would also like to point out that rebma for one reason or another has basically been absent from guild (marriage,honeymoon,playing jaica)once again,not a criticism,but because of this the character rebma hasn't been considered...very understandable i would think....sort of the out of sight out of mind thing...

[Nurlaten]

Funny that you should quote lux et veritas rumble as their recent disbanding has led to some of our new members; altarial, valetorix, aldurian and felixsilen. I agree with the quote, but it's weird to see it coming from a guild that just fell apart.

I talked to altarial, she has a level 61 chanter friend, that is currently guilded but "kinda looking around." He's interested in going on a raid with us and checking out what slot has to offer. I don't know of anything on the calendar, so i couldn't give him a date, but hopefully he'll be able to show up on one of our raids in the near future.

Getting a 61 chanter who already has the spell would be the most ideal method to getting out of this dilemna.

As far as what people want to do with their time it doesn't really bother me. Each person is paying their money to participate, who am i to tell them what to do? Hopefully we'll see krung as synthania soon, as i enjoyed grouping with you in the past.

[Leanessa Sylverfoxx]

Krung ...I must apologize also....I think I have been on one raid with Rebma....not sure if I have been on any with Krung....I guess I should be more raid orientated at this point....sigh.... but Lea is getting ...hard to say exactly....disenchanted, replaced, the feeling that Lea is basically useless, a burden to others...I don't know .....but until I can focus on being able to play Lea again...I have been playing alts.

1) Raids...Lea has to be at a raid for at least 4 hours to even get 1 blue....if lucky....and I know that also goes for anyone higher than my level. So raids are like Thanksgiving...time to get the family together....

2) Raids are time consumming....fun but yet time consumming...and should be started on time...this way those that attend can plan on being at the raid for whatever time span they have....wether it be 2 hours or 10 hours...If the raid starts at 8pm then it starts at 8pm....this way I can get on my char and get my supplies and meet on time...get KEI and be starting raid at 8pm....then I know that at say midnight...I have accomplished at least a blue in exp...and I have had fun being with everyone....and if I am tired I don't feel bad about leaving the raid...and don't get me wrong I am a cleric...I don't mind doing my job...but if we are to start the raid at 8pm and don't get to the camp site and started by 8pm then not only have I wasted an hour or 2 of KEI...but also an hour or 2 of raiding time....

3) I am happy to hear that you and Rebma will be able to join us more frequently now...

and will be looking forward to getting to know you 2 better.....and I am sorry that I haven't already taken the time to sit and chat with you 2

Looking forward to the time when we can all get together again )