Strating an Alt Guild

[Rumblebore]

This is the topic area to discuss whether an Alt Guild is a viable idea for us, now or in the future.

I forsee it as a place that STARTS as a place for our alts - We can keep 1-2 Mains in SLoT but all alts go into the Alt Guild (AG form now on). The intent I saw was that the SAME officers in SLoT are the SAME officers in AG - no heirarchy differences. The AG will be more laid back and family - like - a haven away from what may much later become UBER Raiding in SLoT. SLoT get the rep for being an Uber Tier Raiding Guild, but maintains a family level of play in AG.

Now, everyone is free to discuss pros and cons of this idea. It doesnt have to be implemented anytime soon. It should have an easier rule system, since once people get to 46+ they can have the option of going to SLoT to join in raiding, or staying in AG and still joining SLoT on Raids.

People said good idea and people said bad idea last night.

Discuss them here.

[Krung]

I think it is an excellent idea. Show me one person that wants to high lvl raid every day of the week and not take a break or just kick back and group for fun or exp to lvl a lower charcter and I will say that the life of the game is gone for that person. Dont get me wrong Synthania wants to be a high lvl raider he would love the chance to throw spells at Mobs in the planes. However Krung is a simple Ogre. Just likes to hang out and bash Mobs and kill stuff. Scare the Townsfolk "you know Ogre things". Anyway, It all comes to playing style I guess. I think that Two guilds would be excellent. The lower guild controlled by the same people with a set group of people to organize lower lvl raids and groupings would be perfect. You know like hey theres going to be a group going to Echo caverns tonight or Dread Lands or KC. Come join the fun and lets wipe out a few zones. Nothing major or Mandatory just People getting together causing havoc with out the rules and standards of High lvl raids. LOL where sitting down may agro something but not the whole zone which will wipe out a raid party of 30 or more people hehehe. Anyway, I think its too confusion for leadership to distinguish between who is who to keep it the way it is. What we should do is start the new guild and the have a channel that everyone can join both SLoT and AG. To keep in touch and chat or request help if need be. Would Love to see this happen.

[Leanessa Sylverfoxx]

Valid points there Krung....another thing too...we have moved SLoT's to a 51 plus guild entry......what about other chars that are lower lvl but want to join SLoT's because they like the idea of what we stand for??? Wouldn't it be feasible to have another low level guild to invite people into and find out if they are SLoT material ....or let them find out if they really like the SLoT's???

Basically a fun place to get to know everyone??? but yet a way to find out if grouping with a char is to your satisfaction or not....or if that char should be guildremoved???

I say that a lower level guild is a very good idea.....

Leanessa Nobleheart

[Nurlaten]

I'm all in favor of the alt guild.

Here are my personal pro's con's:

Pro

- Allow a place for the less serious slots to go without losing them

- Get rid of the clutter on the guild management feature, we have 188 members listed, how many can you list?

- Give the low levels a place to learn, and not have to turn away new people 35 to 51 because of the new level requirements

Con

- Take away from what we have

- a) Communication

i) For imprimtu raids (Like i said last night, if the officers share the same channel, relaying info, wouldn't be too bad)

ii) Lose ability to talk with some friends in guild chat, this is the biggest one to me, if we start sending alts to another place, they lose the atmosphere that slot has, maybe it will encourage people to play their mains more or really work on leveling a character, but we'll see

- b) Someone has to run it ( there are a lot of people that really enjoy alts, Galdin immediatly comes to mind, he's run a guild before but we'll have to see if he wants to)

Either way there is a lot to think about, and currently i'm in favor of this alt guild

[Lotara]

What you are really talking about is dividing SLoT into two guilds. But to try to manage both with the same people cannot be done. As time goes along the two will become more and moe independant of each other as they seperate further. The High SLoT will recruit more and more higher level players to be able to do High Level Raids. The Low SLoT will have more and more lower players that just like fun and really don't care if they advance fast at all.

Many of the Higher Level Guilds will allow (even encourage) non-guild players to join them in Raids. All you have to do is go to their web page and register as a guest and say you would like to join them on Raids. They will contact you when they have a raid that might fit your level and experience. And once you have been on a Raid they may or maynot invite you on further Raids without giving up you own Guild. This is what is proposed with the High SLoT.

So if you are in the Low SLoT you may or may not chose the High SLoT as the Guild for high level raiding.

As for me and Zann and all of my other characters, as I see it, Zann is the only one high enough to go into both guilds. So suppose Zann went into High and rest into Low which would I play? Probably my lower level characters. So I might as well put Zann into the Low SLot too, to be able to play on two computers with two characters. And to help raise my other characters up to at least level 46. But wouldn't Zann be left behind in experience if she choose the Low? Would she ever be able to catch up with the rest of her group?

And the officers of SLoT now do not need nor probably want to be officers in both guilds. Maybe one or two as laison between the two.

So is this good for SLoT? I don't think so. Therefore the two guilds would split further and further apart.

If you want to start a new Guild ok, but do not tie it into SLoT except with an alliance. New officers and a new beginning and all that being a new guild entales, web pages, rosters, etc. would be required. These things would pull this new guild together. But be sure to get a strong Guild Officers Team to put this all together and keep this new Guild running.

Regards Lotara and Zannette

[mcmichael]

gah,i like the idea,but zannette has some very valid points....truth be told,now that i think about it,i see it much the same way as zann does....frustrating,confusing.......

[Rumblebore]

My thoughts about this idea do take many of Zanns concerns into account.

The same leadership means they can address issues in both guilds to effect both guilds appropriately. There is consistency.

In case you don't see it folks, SLoT is becoming 2 guilds right now. Those who want the raiding of higher levels and mobs, and those who feel we are losing the family feel (and that we shouldnt). People have left to seek the higher end game and people have left to seek the Family environment they felt we are losing. The trick is , the second guild that has been forming is forming by people LEAVING SLoT. This idea allows us to maintain all those factors and maintain the 'numbers' too.

The AG would be initially a guild of Alts, not new players. And it will be underused more than used as we head for higher level play. But it will get some use. Recruiting into that guild would not be active recruiting, so new players are going to be few for a while. The problem of the AG growing and splintering off is CONTROLLED by common leadership in both. When thing start going that way, it can be addressed then. It is a valid concern, but with mains in SLoT, and Alts in AG, then if we see a splintering occurring, then that splintering would also be present in SLoT shouldn't it? Same people. And THAT is something that can happen to any guild (Lux et Veritas recently). So, this concern is not as big an issue in my mind, but I am mindful of it.

Zann Raised the issue of where she would put her characters, SLoT or AG. How people choose to play is their choice. The structure in no way denies people in the AG from joining SLoT on raids so long as they are of a level to be able to come. If zann would want to play in the lower guild most of the time, that is her choice but if that makes Zann fall behind in XP'ing, then that is Zann choice. She is very welcome as an AG or SLoT member to raid with SLoT. Any SLoT raid that is announced or created on short notice woudl also get announced in the AG guild too. And anyone with a character who can attend would be welcome. This is not an issue. Shared Leadership helps this be a reality.

During my review of Inny Guilds, I came accross a few guilds that actually do this. I wish I could name them, but I didnt make that kind of note. I will try again to find them. It worked for them.

Anyways, keep the concerns and opinions coming.

[Wallorn]

Hi all,

I read all concerns and got a feel for this topic. Like Rummy I have seen guilds on Inny with an alt guild and like Rummy I cannot remeber names of hand but the guild liked it said it was strange in the beginning but was fine. I believe this is something we need desperatly to do i am tired of loosing people in droves as we have been in past. If the idea doesnt work we can always revert back. I say give it a try. If it doesnt work change back np there. Just my 2 cents.

Wallorn

[Nurlaten]

Haven't seen any new posts or progress on this is about a week, was wondering has the idea fizzled? Or are we just being lazy?

Personally my opinion is still basically the same, might as well try it and if it works stick with it, if not invite everyone back to slot.

[mcmichael]

are we supposed to run with this?i haven't seen a post from eldy yet....or has the chat channel taken its place?

[aaeodar]

I dont know yet sorry to say .

[Rumblebore]

I haven't run with this for several reasons:

1) I wanted all the officers to post about it. - many haven't.

2) I wanted it all to be hashed out here before doing anything - Didn't want complaints about not having had a say in the process.

3) The working idea means all the officers of SLoT are going to be the officers of the Alt Guild, on theor Alt chars. Main reason - the leadership covers both bases. Some objections have ben made. I hope they were adequately dealt with because it seems to still be a GO idea.

4) I have been both away from game and then too sick to want ot play ANYthing, I am getting better and can initiate this idea soon.

5) Another Issue - Working out guild structure before we implement it. IIf _I_ am gonna lead the people to set up this alt guild, then the rules/guidelines will be created in advance. If anyone objects to this they can take control of the idea and its implementation.

That is where things are -

One more week before I really put effort into this.

Any other thoughts?

[Rumblebore]

I will not be working on this anymore.

In order for it to work, the leadership needs to agree to be officers in other guild. While some people have said ok, the 8 people who have posted on this, 2 were not decided or against, and that leaves 6 who may be for it. 10 would be needed to start a new guild.

No one else has spoken since my last post so I will consider this idea to not be one to enact at this time.

This is NOT a critique of people, it is a decision that there is not enough leadership support for it.

I wanted this Alt Guild to shine, but it needed a clearly evident support structure for it. Withhout that, the Alt Guild will probably just be another guild that eventually folds or becomes a problem. It seems prudent not to pursue it because I want SLoT to remain healthy and to excel.

Please lock this thread.

Thanks